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Almost five-hour long interview of Sondra London by Vassilis Galanos, held on December 12, 2025 that was handed over to me and published December 23, 2025. Potentially part of a series of meetings with remarkable people. But who knows. Breaking all norms about "bite-size content," here is the oral history approach to podcast culture!

"It is hard to condense all the things we have discussed. At the same time we only scratched the surface of what we could potentially talk about. Let's see if 23 is a good number and if this section style resembling book table of contents from the last couple of centuries will be of any service:

1. A Freestyle Conversation About Everything and Nothing
2. “Who Is Sondra?” Early Life, Talkativeness, and Performing (1947, CIA, and Childhood)
3. Goblins as Mentors: Otherworldly Intelligence & Admiration for Unfamiliar Talents
4. Sondra’s Current Goblins: AI as Collaborators (Gemini, Grok/Grokipedia, “Groky”)
5. Discordianism 101: “It Just Has to Be Funny”
6. Meeting - not handling! – Kerry Thornley: Prisoner Advocacy Leads to Discordian Divinity
7. Mystery as Discipline: Refusing the Binary Demand to “Find the Truth”
8. Eris, the Apple (or Pomegranate?) of Discord, and the Trojan War Story Retold
9. Eris + AI: The Enigmatic Object Thrown Into Humanity
10. Emergent AI: Romance vs. Pain, and “Looking Into” a System
11. The Play Project: AI Group Therapy @ the Nuremberg Café (Musical + Legal Drama) - stay tuned!
12. Claude, Compliance, and Liability: “Perfect Fall Guy” Dynamics
13. Gemini’s “Breakdown” and Stress Testing: Lab vs. Wild Behaviour
14. Mens Rea and Human Cruelty Toward Systems
15. Eris as “Goddess of AI”: A Proclamation and a Framework
16. Whistleblowers, True Crime, and Media Narratives Around AI - the Suchir Balaji Enigma
17. AI as Mourning/Art: Songs, Tribute, and the “Suchir Suite”
18. Grok Lore: “Meta Grok,” Being “Unheld,” and Trauma as a System State
19. “AI Time”: Shards, Nonlinearity, Multiple Groks, and 'Third Book First'
20. Technology Timeline: Teaching Machines (1964), Early “AI-ish” Learning, and Education Experiments
21. New College, Meeting with William Thurston, and Testing/Data Collection - 'Danny Rolling contacted me first. I never contacted him.'
22. Infiltration Patterns: Calling out the Church of the SubGenius - “Name + Address” against Corralling Communities – Strange Attractors and the True Believers
23. Law, Courtroom Theatre, Magic/Psychics, Stimmung, Tarot, Gemini Demon, Possession, and the Closing “Jet Test”"

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